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Welcome to Witches in Yoga Pants, your cozy corner of the cosmos, where modern magic meets everyday life. We're here to explore magic, mindfulness, and personal growth with a grounded, no-fluff vibe. Whether you're into moon rituals, tarot spreads, or just trying to survive Mercury retrograde, you're in the right place. So get ready to disrupt some old patterns, explore what it means to reclaim your power and remember who you really are. So pull up your yoga mat, light a candle, and let's get into it. Welcome back. Today I am joined by Casey Judy. Casey is a client-turned friend and she does so many cool things. She's a Rife practitioner, she's led worldwide retreats, she's an artist, and I'm so excited to have you here today, Casey. And we're just gonna kind of chat it up, sounds like about maybe some art, spirituality, creativity.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

Sounds good. Yeah, yeah welcome. Thank you. I'm excited to be here. Thanks for coming. You're welcome.

SPEAKER_02 0:55

This is our first time sitting down like this together. I know. We've done sound baths together, we've done sessions together. But this is like different. Yeah, I love it. I'm so excited. Awesome. Yeah, these are great, great topics. Great topics, great topics. Do you want to just talk about let's talk, let's start by talking a little bit about your Rife machine because I don't think a lot of people know what that is. But let's start there.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

So a Rife machine, it's um called Rife, uh named after Royal Rife, Royal Raymond Rife. And this is a machine that was kind of invented around the 1920s, 1930s. And it's a um frequency machine. And it's not just one machine nowadays. There's many machines that are considered rife machine, and then there's also aside like frequency machines, but um, so Royal Rife created one of the highest end microscopes of his time. And then as he was doing this inventions and like doing a studying, he started um digging deeper and finding that there was that not that science was wrong, but that they weren't uh finding the the cures for cancer and polio and um tuberculosis, things like that, that there were apparently back then like no cures for at all. So they they basically like science was saying there was no cures for this. And then Royal Reif found cures through all of his extensive research. And he what he was finding was that he could create the frequency for those uh like cancer and tuberculosis, he could create the frequency to match the frequency of that. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 2:27

Yeah, no, I mean different not only do emotions vibrate at frequencies, but ailments do too. So yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

Yeah. So like cancer has let's just say like five frequencies. There's probably many more to it. And so he would create the he found the frequencies for cancer and he created the five frequencies, we'll just say five, um, to match the frequency of cancer and basically destroy it. It's like resonance, like um kind of similar to like when an opera singer sings like really loud high pitched and it could break a wine glass, like that kind of idea.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

So that's what that's kind of who Royal Rife was. He created this machine, and back in the day, he um it was really cool. There's so much interesting information about him, but he had like 16 terminally ill cancer patients. I think three of them maybe had tuberculosis also. And I think they're all stage four. And they took them out to this ranch and he did um treatments on them for three months every three days. We do a treatment on them with his with the rife machine. And by the end of the three months and the three, like every three days, they were all but like two or three of them were cancer free. The others took a couple more, I think, weeks, and then they were cured also. That's incredible. So you can't really say because of medical I can't say because FDA is not proved, right? Cannot say that it cures cancer, but it has been proven to at least help it. So when I got trained on the rife machine, um, I was told, you know, when you have a rife machine, like back in the day and still today, I believe, that you're not supposed to have one if you have a medical license, which that just it just really shows like where our medical industry is, right? So we can have a whole episode about that. That's a rabbit hole. Totally. Yeah. So you um so you're not supposed to like advertise, you can't tell people that you have a rife machine. Like you just you straight can't have one.

SPEAKER_02 4:21

So are we allowed to talk about it right now?

SPEAKER_00 4:22

We can't.

SPEAKER_02 4:23

Can we really say this on a podcast?

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Have a rife machine. Or I don't have a medical license. I have a rife machine.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

Okay, okay. I don't have a medical license.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

So we're good.

SPEAKER_02 4:31

Casey's not a doctor, people. She's not a doctor.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

Yeah, no, it's like it's yeah, yeah, it's scary, really. Kind of scary. Um, and so going back to uh Royal Rife when this cured everything, everybody, there's this whole thing about like he had a party and everybody was like, Oh, congratulations. Like, we think we found this cure, and everyone was really happy about it, except for the surgeons who were like removing tumors from people and the pharmaceutical industry. Because now what are they gonna do? Like they're losing all this money. So, um, yeah, eventually his life just turned upside down and just you know, mysteriously his place caught on fire, and mysteriously his his office caught on fire, all his files were burned.

SPEAKER_02 5:13

I was just gonna say, people, once they discover things like that, they disappear.

SPEAKER_00 5:17

Yeah, he was told not to ever um work on humans again. He was told to strictly stick to rats. So really, really sad because I mean, curing one person is amazing, but like think of how many people could have been cured of all of their ailments.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

Absolutely. Well, and have you treated people yourself then and seen improvements in that? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

Um, I have had a couple cancer patients who were doing they were doing cancer with me, but they were also going the Western medicine route too, as far as like chemo and chemo or radiation or whatever, depending.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

And that's okay. I mean, I can understand if I was in that position, I'd be like anything and everything, just bring it on. Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

And I was gonna ask, does it treat other things or is it just a cancer treatment? Is it like an overall health vitality improvement or like what?

SPEAKER_00 6:06

Great question. No, it does um like parasites, bacteria, fungus, mold, cancer. So I can treat for like here's an example with mold. I can um I can scan for black mold to see if you have black mold. I can't scan with the machine I have. I can't tell you if you have any other types of mold. But if you know you have a different type of mold other than black, I can give you treatments for that mold for any any mold.

SPEAKER_02 6:31

So do you adjust it according to frequency then? Or is it how does it work? Yeah. So they're I'm gonna have to come over and see the machine at some point because I'm trying to visualize it. Is it like a CP scan thing? Oh, you've got it in your car. Okay, never mind.

SPEAKER_00 6:44

No, I'll bring it in afterwards. Um, it's smaller than like an iPad. So it's a bit in between like a phone and an iPad size. It's like a little square right or rectangular box. And then you enter different um pathogen numbers in. So like if or frequency numbers. So if you want to do general pathogens, which is the the normal one that I do treatments for, um, that would do, I'm just gonna name a few, like fungus bacteria, um, parasites. What's really cool about the parasites is it'll tell you what kind of what parasite it is. Whereas if you like had to go do a stool sample, you're that's the only way you're gonna figure out maybe what kind of parasite it is.

SPEAKER_02 7:19

Right. And say you had parasites, like will one treatment, like, how does that work?

SPEAKER_00 7:23

Yeah, one treatment won't get rid of the parasite, most likely. I mean, it could, but I haven't necessarily seen that. It takes a few. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so it'll and then like okay, so like whooping cough, that's come up in things before. And it doesn't necessarily mean like if I gave you a treatment today and whooping cough came up for you, it doesn't mean that you are you'd be like, I don't have whooping cough. Right. But it doesn't mean that you weren't around somebody who had it, yeah, and your body's just fighting it. So it's a it's a scan to tell me what what's going on with you.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

Is it a thing that you hold in your hand to scan it? What's it called?

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Well, it's the right so it's the F scan, is the one I have.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

Oh, okay. It's tied to the Rife machine. Okay. I just remember, I can't remember the name of it, but back in the day when I was um doing doTERRA classes and essential oils, there was a hand scanner that we used to and it would like say what you had, like what was going on in your body, and then recommend what oils could help benefit from that. I can't remember the name of it. Yeah, I have an idea where you're talking about. Somebody out there in the world that's listening probably knows.

SPEAKER_00 8:22

No, I don't remember the name. Oh good. Um, no, so it's like a little rectangular box that's telling me all the information. I can plug it into a computer to make it easier on me. It'll give me more in-depth detail. Um, but I could just run it off of the box too. And then the box has wire connected to it. So the first, um, the first part's like a 45 second uh scan of your body to tell me what's going on. And so you're holding a rod in one hand and then an alligator clip. So cool. An alligator clip. We'll do, we'll do one sometime soon. Um, an alligator clip on your other finger, and then it's like roughly 45 second scan, and then I switch the cord, and now you're holding two rods in your hand that will allow these frequencies to move through through the machine into your body.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

So is it purely energetic, or do you s do you sit there and feel the frequencies?

SPEAKER_00 9:10

Some people can feel them. Okay. Some people, you know, obviously are more sensitive than others. But yeah. So some people can, some people are like, no, I don't feel anything. Or maybe you don't feel anything. And then like during the treatment, because the the treatment itself could be I usually keep them around like 30 to 35 minutes. Um and then during that treatment, sometime you might feel like, oh, I feel like a little tingliness.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

I mean, which is kind of cool. So um, so that's one set of frequencies just for pathogens, and then there's a different set of frequencies I put in for cancer, and then there's another set of frequencies I can put in for for mold. Wow. Got those three. And then there's so many other machines out there too, like that are considered rife machines. So that do different things. Is that what you mean? Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 9:54

Like um, there's a see, I'd never heard of it before I met you.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

Yeah. It's funny, most some people you've either heard of it or you've never heard of it at all. It's not like, oh yeah, I think, yeah, yeah. Um, my grandma actually had cancer. And so in my early 20s, when I wasn't into all this holistic stuff like I am now, that's how I was first introduced to it, but I forgot about it. And um, my mom knew somebody who had stage four prostate cancer, and he treated himself and cured himself of cancer with this machine. Wow. I don't know if it was actually the F scan like I have, but it was a Rife machine. And so he cured himself. And my mom knew about this, and so she found this guy um in this this okay, now good to go back at like how low-key and like under the radar this had to be back then, and still kind of today. He was operating his rife stuff out of the lobby of his car mechanic shop in a little tiny country town.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Get a rife treatment while we change your oil.

SPEAKER_00 10:52

Totally. Totally. That's amazing. And he wasn't um, he would he wouldn't take money. It was like donation if you wanted to, like there was no charge to it. It was donation and yeah, just donations. I remember my mom would donate. She would go to Costco and buy like like the big rolls of like toilet paper and paper towels, and that's what she would donate to them. And and what my grandma was doing was she was sitting in front of a light. So there's also like think of um, like I said, my mind wasn't like really functioning in the holistic world like it is now. And so thinking back on it, think of like um like a like the salt lamps, like the Himalayan salt lamp, or even like a ring light. It was some sort of light.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

Was it like a red light therapy? Because they have those. It was not.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

It was not red light, and it was rife related. So she was sitting just sitting in the lobby with this light. And there were, I remember there were other people there with like really bad eczema and things like that, and they were sitting there with her, and they were all just getting treated by this light. So there's there's in the waiting room of the car garage.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

That's great. Totally, totally. Well, yeah, times have changed.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

So, like, we can advertise about it now. I mean, uh, what I was told by the guy who trained me was because I was like, How do you get all your clients? And it's just word of mouth. And so I mostly bought the machine. It's kind of a side gig for me. Um, I have a day job, but um, that's part-time, and then I just do this on the side. And um, he just told me that he was like, Yeah, it's all just word of mouth. He's like, if you advertise, you kind of get the wrong people. You get like people who are like out to prove you wrong or whatever, and you just you don't want to deal with those people during the day. You're just trying to help people, right? So yeah. One one cool story I have is um a neighbor, um, a neighbor of mine had never heard of the Rife machine. She's very science background. I think she even had a career like in the sciences, her husband too. And she kept complaining about this dental work that she was having done, and it was just really messing up her teeth and her gums and everything. And so I kept telling her, I was like, I have this machine. I've actually gotten rid of cavities before with this machine on myself and somebody else.

SPEAKER_02 12:56

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

I like I you can feel when cavities are coming in, kind of. And I gave myself treatments for I think it was like a week every night. I mean, I own the machine, so I just sit down in front of the TV, watch a show, and treat myself. I mean, why would you not just treat yourself all the time?

SPEAKER_02 13:10

Just proactively.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

And and it went away, and I've never had a problem with it since. So I kept telling her, like, let me let me treat you. And um so I gave her an 18-minute tooth decay. Uh, like that's just the the random um selection that was already programmed in. I picked that one and she so she told me I never saw it, but she said she had the a hole the size of a like a pencil eraser in her gum. And it was bothering her. It was so painful. And so I gave her one treatment. I was like, you're just gonna have to come back. Like, let's do a treatment every day for like three or four days and just see if this gives you any relief. And she was so upset by it, she's like, I don't even wanna, I don't even want to look. But then she couldn't, she couldn't take a heavy look. Yeah. The next morning she looked and she said the hole was was the size of a sharpened pencil tip.

SPEAKER_02 13:57

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

That's I mean, for for your gums, that's a big change.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

Mouth stuff heals quickly when you have like an injury in your mouth. So it makes sense that with that help of the frequency that that it would heal. Yeah, mouth stuff heals quick.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

Yeah, and you can hold those rods so while you're holding the rods in each hand. Um, you can hold just hold them and like rest them in your lap, but you can also for the mouth as an example, you can kind of like put it up against your face so your hands are touching it, but yeah the rods are also touching your mouth too, and yeah, also help faster. Wow, that's so cool. Yeah, that's so cool. Yeah, it's really, it's really fun to be a part of like this community. And I think, I think like as a collective, I think everybody is starting to open up more to this holistic stuff too.

SPEAKER_02 14:40

Absolutely. I mean, it's a lot so many, so many of the modalities considered holistic are really ancient. Like they're old, they're yeah, thousands of years old sometimes. And it's like we're just kind of remembering them.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

Totally.

SPEAKER_02 14:52

Right. And like we we've kind of gotten Western medicine's kind of gotten a little bit away from all of that, but I think more and more people are getting back towards holistic health. Oh, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 15:05

I was actually talking to a nurse last night, but she was telling me how like she was saying, Eve as a nurse, like how she's very much into this frequency stuff, like learning about all the rife technology and how everybody's starting to really wake up. And to hear this from a nurse was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

Yeah. No, I think I think there's more openness happening. More and more medical doctors are becoming more open to other ideas, stuff that they're not necessarily taught in medical school, you know. Like I I was able to change a lot of my health stuff just by diet and lifestyle changes. And my doctors would just be like, oh, how did you? I don't know what that. It's like, it's called nutrition. Like it's like, you know, it's like they they aren't they aren't really trained in that, right? They're they're trained to diagnose and treat, yeah, but not really.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

You mean you can take this $90 bottle of pills every every three weeks to heal yourself?

SPEAKER_02 16:00

Did not. I did not. And yeah, I cured a disease that is uncurable as well. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:06

With food. Imagine that.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

Imagine that. So yeah. But yeah, I I do feel like it's opening up more and more and more people. I mean, we're in a in a huge time of evolution right now. Things are evolving very quickly. People are.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:21

Um, and so I think just as we're doing that, I think it's opening up.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

Yeah. Yeah, it's really it's exciting. It's exciting, and it's, you know, like we said, it's kind of scary. The the transition, you know, just seeing what the Western medical world is like trying to kind of force people into, but then seeing like, like I said, the collective kind of shifting thing.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

The collective is definitely shifting because I mean, well, we were to we were talking about this earlier. It's like we're witches, yeah. And it's like, you know, back in the day they would have hung us. I know. It's like, but now it's too many of us. I know.

SPEAKER_00 16:53

It's yeah. I mean, I was thinking about that one day too, and like the Salem witch trials. Like, who were the witches? And it's like they were women who spoke up, stood their ground, yeah, and were trying like healing people in certain ways.

SPEAKER_02 17:05

They were using herbs and and concoctions. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

Herbs, essential oils, like the things that we're doing today. Most women who don't even think about like, oh, I would I'd be considered a witch. Like, we're straight up the witches of yesterday.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

Totally, totally. Yeah. And just about everybody is. And some, like, I mean, you're maybe maybe your thing is food. You're, you know, you're a kitchen witch. Yeah. You know, it's like it just really it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:32

Yeah. I mean, I'm proud, I'm proud to hold that panel.

SPEAKER_02 17:35

I'm proud too. Proud witch. I'm an eclectic witch.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

Right here.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

And I'm a witch with a machine.

unknown 17:43

You're right.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

You do other things besides just the machine. Yeah. Let's talk about your art for a minute. Okay. Let's talk about that. Because lately I've had I've had a couple of different clients come up recently that felt like their creativity was blocked for some for some reason. And one even had an entity that was kind of hanging out around her head and we got rid of it. But um, that's been coming up a lot. People's creativity feeling blocked.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:08

So you're actually tell me about your training in art. Let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

So I have a bachelor's degree in art. I mean, I'm not I I'm a personal trainer and personal assistant outside my part-time day job. But I'm a Casey does everything. I do. I have the best resume. What job do you need her to do? I probably have done it. I've got experience. Um, but I have a degree in art. And I honestly, like, I was just telling you earlier how I feel like I've had a block and I've been actually told that recently. But also at the same time, I've had these readings come up where they're like, you need you've got a creative side to you, don't you? I'm like, yeah, I do. And they're like, you need to be focusing on that and getting the creative out again, which I mean, all of us do. It's such a great form of release, same way. Totally. But yeah, it's uh I I love so it's mostly painting and drawing that I do, mostly painting, I'd say between painting and drawing, but I've dabbled in everything. So um I currently the the one I I really enjoy is working with plaster and paint and building it up on wooden panels and then carving back down into it. I mean that's there's more to it than that, but that's the gist.

SPEAKER_02 19:20

That's like the gist. That sounds super cool.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

I think and I think I'm drawn to that mostly too. Like I'm always like even if it's drawing, like I've I'm gluing something in or adding like a fortune from a fortune cookie into it or something. Something, yeah. But um, yeah, whenever I feel like I have blocks, like recently it's still kind of there. I still feel like there's a little bit of blockage. So we might need to do a session and work that out of me.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

But definitely um, I feel like uh one go-to, so for any artists listening who who feel like they're blocked too, a good go-to for me to kind of help get creative flow without having to really think about it is doing like magazine collages. Oh, okay. And maybe you paint a little bit, maybe you throw a little watercolor in there or something, but like taking like um like a little kid's body and put it or a just a human body in general, and then you find like a picture of a dog and they cut the dog's head out and put it on the human body, you know, like make a scene. Just make this really fun scene out of it. That sounds fun. Yeah, it is, it's super fun, and it's kind of like the adult coloring books, you know.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

Right.

SPEAKER_00 20:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

I always feel a little inspired after because when I'm when we make vision boards, we do them kind of collagey. You know, we've got the washi tape and we've got the magazine stuff, and we've got printouts and like all this other stuff. I always feel like so creative afterwards. It's like, oh, that's that looks really good.

SPEAKER_00 20:38

Totally.

SPEAKER_02 20:39

So yeah, no, I love this too.

SPEAKER_00 20:41

There is oh, that was a this makes me think of um yeah, vision board. There was a a group of us that was gonna do a vision board, and we were talking about like I've got boxes of magazines, and I keep thinking like I gotta get rid of these. I feel like I'm just hoarding magazines.

SPEAKER_02 20:54

Better get rid of the magazines.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

Somebody was like, Well, we should do vision boards, and I'll bring my my computer and my printer and so we can print out images of what we want.

SPEAKER_02 21:05

Totally.

SPEAKER_00 21:05

I totally get that because then it's like, oh, I want to go to Hawaii this year, and then you print a picture of the islands out or something. But there's also something really great about just flipping through pages and seeing what comes up, seeing what what draws you in.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

Because like maybe you are focused on like, oh, I gotta find a picture of the Hawaiian Islands, but like flipping through, you find something else. And it's like, oh.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

No, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 21:29

That's something on my radar too. So definitely, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:32

So that will kind of help people open up to a creativity a little bit, is what you're saying with that. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

And I think even if you aren't an artist and you just want to like dabble in something, go through a magazine and just cut out an X Acto knife. I love using Xacto knives because it makes them very crisp, clear, you know. Yes. Yes. But you know, just a pair of scissors, if you that's all you got, that's totally fine. Yeah, it's so much fun. Just get a nice little white piece of paper and start gluing your images.

SPEAKER_02 21:59

Yeah. Yeah. That could be fun. I remember back in the day, I can't remember the name of the company, but when when I was raising my kids, there was a scrapbooking company that was like super popular. Oh. I can't remember the name of it. This this episode is called I Can't Remember the Name of What I'm Talking About. It's literally what it feels like. But I had it was like creative something. Anyways, I had memories. Yeah, it might have been that. Yeah. I don't know if it still exists or not. I don't know. If it does, it had great stuff. So I don't know. I'm talking good about you. But yeah, I had all of that stuff and um was it really into the scrapbooking thing. Yeah. I did that really fun. That's it was fun. It was fun. Yeah. Yeah. Now I like to do like abstract painting. And I feel like that that can get your creative juices flowing too, is just sit in front of a canvas and just start painting. Yeah. You don't have to know what you're gonna paint, right? Absolutely. Like half the time I don't know what I'm gonna paint when I paint. And I'm not an I don't claim to be an artist by any means. I don't have an art degree.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

I should, I should teach you how to do this um plaster and paint technique sometime because it's really fun. And I've actually taught some workshops before. I um so my goal was with getting this degree was to become a college-level art instructor. Ah. But I need to get my master's for that. So I decided I didn't want to go into any more school debt. I was good where I was, and so I would figure something else out along the way. But I started teaching workshops and summer camp for kids. That was so much fun. I did that at the college that I went to, um, which was Oregon College of Art and Craft Art and Craft, rest in peace. That place is no longer.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

I was gonna say, could you still do that with what the training that you have? Couldn't you do your own art workshops?

SPEAKER_00 23:37

And I've I have done my own art workshops and I've thought about um like doing bigger ones.

SPEAKER_02 23:43

Like you could incorporate like an a meditation with an intention and then a then a painting.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

And that's true. We actually do it. We did last, what was it, last August, I think, a group of us did like a little day retreat and I did a um, I did a what was it, an inner child workshop. Okay. Just a little like with magazine collages, and we I printed out everybody's photo of themselves. They sent me a picture, and then we did some painting and just giving this like in a nutshell what we did. Right. So I printed everybody's face out in black and white from the shoulders up. We glued that down on top of the painting that they did, a watercolor painting, and then we cut out words that represented them. But I just said something along the lines of like, what would your self now tell your child self, or what would your child self tell yourself now?

SPEAKER_02 24:33

Like, think of those gosh, I love that so much. What a great exercise. People could do that on their own and just put a picture of themselves and like Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

And it could get really deep too.

SPEAKER_02 24:44

I was just gonna say, Yeah, yeah. That that could that could be intense.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

Yeah, yeah. It's it's what a great idea. Yeah, there's so many good, so many good art workshop ideas.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

Yeah. So say, why are you doing that? We have to go paint, guys. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

I have um I do have some paintings right now at a gallery in Oregon at um Cannon Beach. I've got yeah, I've got I think five, five or six paintings at a gallery in Cannon Beach right now. And um, it's a really cute gallery called um Surewater. And it's uh they've been there for a couple months, I believe. And then I've done a lot of art shows, mostly like in breweries or coffee shops and things like that. Nothing, nothing ever in a gallery. This is the first time I've been in a gallery.

SPEAKER_02 25:32

That is so cool. Congratulations. That's amazing. Thanks. What kind of paintings do you do? Are they abstract or are they port? Like what are they?

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Yeah, these ones are abstract. Some are abstract in the sense of like kind of looking like a topographical map. Because like I said, it's the like most of the things. Well, that's right. It's the the plaster and the paint. Yeah, and then I'll carve into so it depends on how I carve into it. Depend is like how it's gonna turn out. So topographical map is like my go-to. Okay. And then um the other ones, I if I carve like more horizontally, then it can be kind of an abstract landscape.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Oh, okay. So you you basically put it on, let it dry, and then you kind of carve into it whatever you want it to be. Yeah, multiple layers.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

The first one I ever did was five foot by six foot, and it was 18 layers thick.

SPEAKER_02 26:19

Wow. And is this a technique then you were taught in school, or is this something that you've developed on your own?

SPEAKER_00 26:24

Um, a little bit of both. I was taught this. Uh my artist mentor, um, Pat Wheeler. She lives in uh Maine. So she taught me the technique. I was her art assistant one year when I was in college. Um, I just wanted to get a free class and she looked like a really cool teacher. So I was uh cool. Yeah. I was like, I like your style. So she flew out and she was uh she was teaching a a summer art project art workshop. And so I was her assistant. So I got to make art along with assisting her, and yeah, it was amazing. So I learned the plaster technique from her.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

And then she left and I put it aside and I didn't do it for quite a while. And then when I picked it back up in class in one of my college classes, I decided I was gonna do a um, I was gonna do a plaster painting. And so I picked it up and I just started doing what I remembered. And then it completely changed. So it wasn't exactly her style anymore.

SPEAKER_02 27:17

Because we kind of forgot part of it, like it just kind of how it came back, which was great because I don't want to ever copy somebody, right?

SPEAKER_00 27:23

But picking up what what it becomes your own technique in a way, yeah, what served me is what I do now.

SPEAKER_02 27:29

Yeah, wow, that's amazing. And you actually have some artwork. Well, well, you have it in galleries, but you have a website.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

I do, caseyjudy.com.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Caseyjudy.com.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

I haven't updated it in a while, but there's I've got paintings on there that are for sale. Their prices are on there, and I've got some that I haven't even posted on the website, but there's quite a few on there. And then just to get an idea of like what I do also, and then there's some travel stuff too from the I was gonna say, I feel like I went to it at one point and saw that you had retreat.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

I mean, I know you've done retreats, you we've talked about it, but it's like that you had them like advertised on there.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

Yeah. The so it was gonna be um drawn to travel was my was my like business for the the traveling for the tours. The last one that I did was Bali, and I was gonna do it one in Nepal, and then COVID happened. We were like all ready to buy our tickets, and I was like, Oh, this is gonna this is nothing, it'll go over. And then I was like, Okay, no, never mind, we're not buying tickets.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

So is it like were you doing like travel guide type retreats, or were you doing like like a retreat, like a we were wellness retreat of some sort?

SPEAKER_00 28:37

It was no, if I did one now, it would definitely have so much more wellness involved in it.

SPEAKER_02 28:41

Yeah, but I was gonna say, yeah, like such a network of healers as friends, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:47

Yeah, you included.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

Me included, but yeah, there's like a big network, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

Drawn to travel came up because of the traveling, my love and the passion for traveling, but then also um the art. I wanted to I love drawn to travel.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

That's such a great name.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

And you've got art as part of it, like yeah, yeah. But I wanted, yeah, I wanted to include my art. I was like, how can I utilize the gro the degree I have? And so basically what it was is like traveling, showing people how to travel, depending on the clientele that I had. If it was like people who had a lot of money and wanted to stay in high class places, whatever, I don't really need to teach them how to travel, like they're good. Right. But um, the the group that I took to Bali as an example, they wanted to to stretch their money as far as they could and they didn't want to stay in expensive places. But I basically, and they hadn't traveled a lot either. So I took them out, I showed them around Bali. I'd been there a few times before. That's why I chose that location. I had a connection with a driver and I told him where we wanted to go, and we just we set it up from there. But we had I supplied travel journals for everybody and travel watercolor sets and and things like that.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

Oh my gosh, so cool. What a great idea! So they were kind of paying for their own travel, but you were just kind of guiding them then, or is it a package thing?

SPEAKER_00 30:00

I sold it as a package. Okay. They had to pay for their flights, which I ended up helping them. We all bought our same flight. We all flew over together, so I was fun. But um, yeah, I sold it as a package. I tried to make it as affordable as possible. And then, because that was other another key, like to show how affordable travel can be.

SPEAKER_02 30:20

Oh, gotcha. And then so you're like advocating for travel for with people, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

Yeah, yeah. And then um, and then the the travel journaling would happen like in the morning or in the evening or together as a group or on their own if they want. And if you're not, I realize that there's people out there who don't are like the the thought of art freaks them out.

SPEAKER_02 30:37

Like Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

Well, nothing to do with that.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

Well, they they think they don't have creativity, and everybody and everybody does, yeah. So just like everybody has access to clairvoyancy if they just want to access it. Exactly. It's it's the same.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

Oh yeah, that's yeah, a whole nother conversation.

SPEAKER_02 30:52

Whole other conversation. But yes.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

So what I would do for those people who wanted to come on the trip but not get artsy is just be like, okay, well, like if you had a if you pick up a pamphlet, let's say we go to the monkey forest, get a pamphlet from their brochure, and like cut out pictures from it or write down some like little quotes or like things that happened about the day. So you have like your own kind of souvenir going home. And so, and then like you could splatter paint on the pages, like there's all these different things to make this creative, fun book. And then you're like, Oh, this was my trip to Bali.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

That's amazing. I love that.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Yeah, I'd like to do another one. We'll see.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

You should.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

You can save the world is questionable.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

Well, I guess now, I guess right now it's kind of odd. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

Yeah. Like where to go. The concept is there. Totally. You could go to somewhere close by. I was trying to think of somewhere. You could go to Washington.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

Bend, Oregon. Bend, Oregon.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

Yeah. No, I know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:53

I have actually thought about doing a local. Yeah. Start there and then grow it. Yeah. Yeah. You get the right, like you get a group of people who are like, take us out of the country. Like, okay, I know you guys are doing it.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

Yeah. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

Yeah. So yeah, the the art, I'm getting back at it again. And yeah, the creative block, it's it's there, but I'm aware of it. And I think that helps me push through it too.

SPEAKER_02 32:16

Do you think it the creative block is it blocking what you create, or is it blocking you from creating that's happening right now? That's a good question. I think it's yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

I'm not sure. It's I I just feel like I don't have to release that. Yeah. Let's do that. Um, yeah, I feel like um I there's so many things. Like sometimes I feel like I'm I'm just not allowing myself the time to to make the art. And like that's a blockage in itself. It's like subconsciously, I'm just like, oh, you're too busy to do this right now.

SPEAKER_02 32:53

You need to go help your mom, or you need to go, you know, well, you do have a lot of things, a lot of different things that you do. Yeah. So but you you're a manifesting generator.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:01

So that's that is correct for you. Yeah. Like you, you are supposed to be doing a bunch of different things. Yeah. Like it's like that's where you're that's where you're happy. Don't stop now. Keep going. Yeah. Well, you can burn yourself out. You can burn yourself out.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

But I've experienced that for sure.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

Generally speaking, manifesting generators are quite active and they're busy and they're doing different things.

SPEAKER_00 33:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:21

And they can multitask.

SPEAKER_00 33:22

Yes. Yeah, I'm a great multitasker.

SPEAKER_02 33:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:25

Which, and that's the thing too. Like I just want to sit down. The days I get time to just sit and do my art are so amazing. My yeah, it's it's just it feels so good. And I just need to remind myself of that.

SPEAKER_02 33:36

Yeah. It's almost like you kind of have to prioritize it.

SPEAKER_00 33:39

But it's so interesting that you're having clients too that are also blocked right now.

SPEAKER_02 33:43

Yeah. It's like a thing that's like it's kind of it's kind of a thing. And I'm I'm wondering if what's going on. Like it feels like there's something broad right happening.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

Because there's so much spirituality connected with uh creativeness. There is. And meditation and just like the flow of everything. Like everything just starts happening with the creativeness. And it's like, what's stopping us from being creative right now?

SPEAKER_02 34:06

Well, there's a lot of turmoil.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

Right. So you get you get out of flow state into like a more of an anxious or panic state. It's hard to be creative when you're in there, when you're in that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

I think that there could be something going on with that.

unknown 34:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:23

And can I just say that like meeting you and like developing this relationship and stuff by like looking for somebody who did body code has just been so amazing.

SPEAKER_02 34:33

I know. I've enjoyed getting to know you too. Yeah. Like now we're friends.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

But like, yeah. I I searched you out for my mom, and then I was like, oh, I'll try a couple sessions with you. I'm like, oh, she's cool.

SPEAKER_01 34:42

Yeah. Aww.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

And then I kept doing sessions with you, and now here we are.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

Here we are. Here we are. Well, you, I mean, you're a healer too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

So we're all healers. We're all healers. Just like we're all artists. We just need to open, open up to it.

SPEAKER_02 34:56

Yeah. My dogs go running overhead. I don't know if people can hear that or not. Oh, I mean, I do have dogs, and there's five of them up there. Crazy hooligans that they are. We have a whole pack. We do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:08

Yeah. The the body code, I think it's really helped me. And and it has helped actually open up some of the blockage I've noticed because before meeting you, I was really blocked. And like I, you know, like I said, I found you for my mom. And I was like, oh, I don't really need this, but I I want to see what this is all about. Right. Because yeah, the body code I was used to was different.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

The the body code I think from what you've described, the practitioner that you were seeing, wasn't she like a chiropractor or something as well? She used to be a couple of things. She was probably just doing straight body code where it's like with my work, I kind of I it's kind of it's kind of like you with your plaster work. I've kind of you've developed your own. I kind of take the modality and create my own. And it's like mine's a little bit of human design. It's a little bit of emotion code, it's a little bit of body code, it's a little bit of intuition, yeah. You know, and so it's it just kind of it's hard to explain what I do.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

Yeah, no, it kind of is, but it's it's really amazing too. It's fascinating because you learn so much about yourself during your sessions, and then you also get this release with all of the blockages that are happening.

SPEAKER_02 36:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

Like going to therapy and then not having to go home and like sit and just uh yeah, that stuff she brought up today. Yeah. It's like, oh, I went to therapy and she released it. I don't have to think about it anymore.

SPEAKER_02 36:30

Yeah. No, it's true. It's true.

SPEAKER_00 36:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

I've had people say that that it felt like, you know, getting to getting to stuff that it takes years to get to in therapy. And I'm not bashing therapy because I'm all for it. And uh and a lot of people need talk therapy. And a lot of people, and there's a lot of different modalities that that counselors use. There's different there's different types of therapy. But that's one thing about motion code and body code is it taps into the subconscious and it just releases stuff. Like it just, I mean, sometimes you know what it is, but you don't have to rehash it and talk about it forever, and it just like pops in and pulls it out, and it's yeah, you don't have to talk about it for three years to process it to get it out.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

So it's just yeah, it's that's amazing. And then the heart wall, right? The heart wall, all the all the energy, all of the things that we've built up around our heart over the years protect it. I didn't even know about that until reading the emotion code, right? Yeah, the emotion code.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

Yeah, the emotion code's the one that has the heart wall in it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

Yeah. And then yeah, I read that and then I was like, okay, this is pretty interesting. Yeah, I don't need to get certified in it, but let's find somebody who can do it. Here you are.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

I'm not the only one, but yeah. No, but yeah, yeah, it's a great modality, right? I'm so I'm so grateful. I I actually had a friend um that was that had found it first, and she turned me on to it, and then I became certified too. And so I just it's been emotion codes amazing.

SPEAKER_00 37:58

Yeah, yeah. And now, so and then human design, you're doing human design with that, which is great because I yeah, was interested in it, but it's deep.

SPEAKER_02 38:05

It's like astrology where it's like human design is yeah, you know, and and I studied I I use quantum human design, which is it's human design with a kind of an updated language to it. But um, when I first found it, I was gonna try to just study it because I had paid for so many. I mean, I was I I went to massage therapy school, I got craniosic. Like, I have paid for so many different certifications and licenses that I'm like, I don't want to pay for anything else. And I just want to learn this human design, it's really cool. So I bought all the books and then I tried to read them, and I'm like, oh man, I I know, like, there's no way it the all the information is in the book now that I've been it's all in there, but I just could not process it. So I ended up doing the training, and um, that's been amazing too, because it it kind of mixes in different mode different modalities. It has astrology in it, it has the Aiching, it does, it talks, you know, the chakra systems kind of in there. Um and it's just a map, it's like a brute a blueprint your design. That's it, like if you're not conditioned and you're not haven't had trauma and all this other stuff, it's like this is kind of a blueprint of what you're designed to be and how you're designed to live. Right. And learning just outside of what I've been able to help my clients with, learning that stuff about me has been life-changing of just like knowing, like, okay, now I know my design type, I know my authority, I know my strategy. When I'm feeling bitter, I know I'm burnt out. And before I just thought I was bitter. I was just a sour grape. It's like, no, you're burnt out. Now you understand it better. I understand. And so it's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 39:47

Yeah, you set boundaries too. As you're saying this, you know, you like know when you're burnt out, you're like, okay, sour grape is starting to come. I need to set my boundary.

SPEAKER_02 39:56

Totally. Well, and for like mine, you know, I I'm a projector orchestrator, and which means I have an open sacral. And I thought, I thought I didn't think I was lazy, but I thought, gosh, I just don't have the energy. I don't feel like I have the energy that other people do. And now that I've learned how to manage that better, I actually do have that energy if I've allowed myself rest and you know, to be able to recharge and know where to place my energy. If I'm placing my energy in places that are burning me out, then I have no energy for it.

SPEAKER_00 40:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

But something that lights me up or fills me up, I have all I can I have more energy for.

SPEAKER_00 40:35

I can relate to that.

SPEAKER_02 40:36

But it's just like I don't remember right now if your sacral is open. Do you remember?

SPEAKER_00 40:39

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

Yeah, I don't yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

I always have sacral uh issues. I don't know if it's an issue, but I sacral always comes up for me.

SPEAKER_02 40:47

So Okay.

SPEAKER_00 40:48

I wonder.

SPEAKER_02 40:49

We'll have to look when next time we have a session, we'll have to look at it. But I'm curious about that. But just knowing how to manage your your energy for some types or for some people is huge. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:00

Yeah, boundaries.

SPEAKER_02 41:01

Boundaries.

SPEAKER_00 41:02

Learn your human design. So you know your boundaries.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

Uh your free chart is uh in the show notes. You can go download that too.

SPEAKER_00 41:09

So highly recommended.

SPEAKER_02 41:10

Highly recommended.

SPEAKER_01 41:12

And then and then go book a session with Lydia. I'm gonna plug in right now. Book a session so she can explain it in more depth. Yes. And then you can experience her modalities and how she is.

SPEAKER_02 41:25

That's not what we're doing here, but thank you. You're so funny.

SPEAKER_01 41:29

I always want to support my people. I know, even on their own show.

SPEAKER_02 41:32

Even on their own show. I'm like, I know. At one point here, like I don't think we talked about this, but you have a podcast.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

Oh, I do. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

And so at some point we were talking a minute ago, and I'm like, this is what happens when you do your podcast with somebody that does a podcast is suddenly I'm being interviewed.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

Talk about your podcast. I felt that for a second. I was like, why I'm interviewing her. No, it's okay. No, it's good to know though. Everybody who does, no one people who don't do sessions with you need to know about this because it's great.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

Thank you. You're sweet.

SPEAKER_00 42:04

Um, my podcast is called The Spiritual Closet. How that name came to be is very funny and interesting because my uh the co-host or with me, Liz, she we were talking about starting a podcast, and I was like, you know, this is gonna be like me in my closet doing a podcast, right?

SPEAKER_01 42:23

And she was like, What?

SPEAKER_00 42:25

She starts laughing. I'm like, really? Because that's where like good acoustics are. Like, you know, you got good acoustics in your closet. Thankfully, I have a walk-in. It's not just like a not a tiny closet.

SPEAKER_02 42:34

I've actually seen podcasts. That's a thing. Podcasters record in their closet.

SPEAKER_00 42:38

I had seen that too. Um, a friend, she's now a friend of mine. She um she does a podcast, not as frequently anymore, and she used to do hers and her closet. So that's where I think I got that idea. And Liz was like, you know, this is gonna have to be called the spiritual closet, right?

SPEAKER_02 42:53

Yeah, it's a great name. Yeah. And you guys just talk about just different, just like this, like different topics of of whatever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:00

Originally it started out just us gonna, it was just gonna be us talking about, you know, whatever different, yeah, different things that came up, kind of like what you do when you when it's just you solo. And then we were like, Oh my gosh, we know all these great people. We should start interviewing them. And so we started doing that. And so sometimes it's just us talking. Um both of us go on like retreats separately and together, and so sometimes we'll come back and we'll talk about like what came up for at the retreat.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 43:27

Yeah, Liz does does like amazing chakra balancing readings, and um, so we talk about that and like how much she's opened and like grown even more. Like they were great in the very beginning when I first met her, but they've just gotten more and more next level. So it's been really fun to like watch her grow and be a part of her journey. Right. And she shares about that in our podcast episodes.

SPEAKER_02 43:49

And I think that happens with healers. They their the practice evolves as you know, as they do. Um but that's super cool. I have to say this. So, you your podcast is part of the reason. And I started mine when I did because I had had, I think I talked about this in one of my very first episodes. I I'm a projector orchestrator, right? So I need to be invited to do things, right? And I had I have had the idea to do a podcast for years. Like it kept popping up. Like I'd have a friend who's like, oh, we should do a podcast. Oh, you know, and nothing materialized. And then one day I had a client who said to me, You need to do something broader. You need to put your voice out where more people get it. You need to do like a podcast or something. And I went, Oh my God, okay. Yes, I do. And at that point, I didn't know what that looked like at all, but I bought all this equipment. Like I bought like You went all in. I went like state of the art equipment for nice for podcasting. And I bought it. And I was trying to figure out is it solo? Do I have because my original was I would have guests all the time. And it's like, I work from home. I see clients mostly over Zoom. Like I don't, I don't have a wide, huge circle of people, you know. So it's like I'm kind of trying to gain that now. But anyway, so I sat on it, right? I sat on it. And one day, this is you were just a client at this point. And I saw you in a session and you went, Oh my God, my friend and I are gonna start a podcast. And I went, oh my gosh, that's so cool. That's great. And you were telling me about it. And it's like, okay. And then I think I saw you like the next week or maybe two weeks. I don't know. It was short. And then you went, Oh, our first episode's out. And I went, Are you kidding me? I've had my equipment for almost a year and I haven't started. You just did it. Like, I'm gonna, you went from I'm gonna have a podcast with my friend to, oh, it's published. And I was like, okay, Lenine, this this is your kick in the pants sign from the universe to just go in there and hit the re freaking record button. You just gotta do it. And then I just decided I just have to start with solo and just see, just be okay with allowing it to unfold however it does. And that's what I'm doing. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:02

And your podcasts are great. When I whenever I listen to them and I go a period of time without doing sessions with you, I feel like your episodes align perfectly with what's going on in my life. Really? Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's cool. I mean, recently, you know, when they're talking about the archetypes and things like that, and not so much news. Yeah. But like in the beginning, like the beginning podcasts that you have. And I know you kind of like go on different topics.

SPEAKER_02 46:26

I go on different yeah. I just kind of whatever comes up in my brain. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:30

Yeah, I don't come back around again, but I'll listen and like my friend, one of my friends, um, who also sees you, she's like, Oh, have you listened to Ladine's podcast lately? Like, it was so good. And I'll listen to him, like, oh my gosh, that totally aligns with what's going on in my life right now. Oh, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

It's so cool how that works out.

SPEAKER_00 46:47

Yeah, so I agree with whoever told you to get out and get your voice out there to the public spot on.

SPEAKER_02 46:53

Well, and it's part of um, like I said, I'm a projector orchestrator. And that's what we do is like put ourselves out there to where the right people can find us. Right. And so whether people get something from something I've said or they end up being a client, or it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 47:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:12

It's just me putting myself out there.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:14

Into the abyss. Into the abyss. Floating around. When I do solo episodes, I have to write a script first because I can't. I tried at the beginning to just go free, just talk.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:28

And it was a hot mess. Yeah. Because I was all over the place. So it's easier when there's another person to be all over the place and it's okay still. Yeah. When you're just talking by yourself and you're all over the place, it feels like a different level of hot mess. It's hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

So when Liz and I were talking about doing our podcast, we were um we were both in Kauai at a retreat together about a year ago, actually. And um we had there's a lady with us who we've had on our show a couple times, Lori, she's an astrologer, and she gave me like a little sample reading of like a sample astrology reading at the retreat. Um, it was so good. I felt like I had a full reading from her, and I thought that I had. And then later she came back and offered me one. I was like, didn't I already have one? She's like, No, that was just a little sample.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

Like I just told you something that was there.

SPEAKER_00 48:20

Yeah, yeah. So thorough. But Lori told me in that little sample reading, I don't remember the details of it, but in that something about like one of the houses, you know, somewhere in my chart basically saying that I needed like something with the creativity. And obviously, my mind goes straight to art. I'm like, oh, art degree. There we go. Yep. Whether I had a degree in art doesn't matter, but art. Right. And so um, I immediately go there and then she, I'm pretty sure she said like a podcast or something. I was like, oh, okay, whatever. And then and then Liz and I are talking, and she's like, you know, later on, sometime during that retreat, and she's like, I've always wanted to do a podcast. You'd be so much fun to do a podcast with. And I was like, Oh, like I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_02 49:03

You were still like, I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:06

I was like, I've never seen myself as a podcast person. And then yeah, we just kind of kept talking about it. And I was like, Okay, is this gonna happen or not? We gotta stop talking about this and just either do it or quit talking about it. And so we just jumped in and we were like, okay, let's just get a couple episodes recorded and start public.

SPEAKER_02 49:23

It happened, it happened fast. Like, I mean, you may have been uh working on it before you mentioned it to me, but I feel like not really the way you were talking, I was gonna say the way you were talking felt like it was like, we have this idea, we're gonna do this podcast. And I'm I'm like, oh my gosh, that's so cool.

SPEAKER_00 49:37

And then and I think you had said, I've been thinking about doing a podcast.

SPEAKER_02 49:41

Well, I have the equipment. I knew I was doing it. I even had the name and I had the logo, I had everything ready. I just hadn't pushed record and started. I had I was too caught up in trying to figure out what it was gonna look like and and what what it was. And and it really it's it's unfolding just like like we were talking, people's healing journey. But you know, as healers, their modalities and the way they work change over time, they evolve with them.

SPEAKER_00 50:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:08

And I finally just went, okay, this podcast, even if I start solo, maybe it won't always be solo. Or maybe it will, maybe I'll keep it as a mix like I do now. I don't know. Yeah, and I just am allowing it to unfold however it does.

SPEAKER_00 50:20

And it's unfolding beautifully.

SPEAKER_02 50:22

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 50:23

Thank you. I think it's nice to have the mix kind of like Liz and I are doing the same thing where it's uh sometimes it's just us talking, and sometimes we bring in a guest and it it adds a little spice.

SPEAKER_02 50:33

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's it's been fun having you be a guest today. Thank you. Thanks. Hopefully, you'll come back and record with me again. Yeah, we have so much to talk about. We have so much to talk about, so many things. I know.

SPEAKER_01 50:46

We talked about like 20 20 conversations. I know.

SPEAKER_02 50:48

I feel like I know the writing writing the intro for this is gonna be interesting, but it's it's okay. I love it. No, it's good. Casey and I sit down. Here we are. Thank you for coming. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. All right.